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читать дальшеVidhi ka Vidhan is the joke of this 'Kalpa'
Well one thing is that the yug-cycle is realted to vishnu-dashhavatar; the ratios of Satyayug,treta,
Kaliyugis 4:3:2:1 likewise there were 4 avtars of vishnu in Satyayug: Matysa,Kurma,Varah, Nrisimha
Treta: Vaman,Parashuram,Rama (who was born in the last phase of treta yuga)
Dwapar yuga- Krishna,Balram ; somesay ninth avatar was Buddha but if Buddha was ninth avatar then the yr he was born isn't Kaliyuga.
Kaliyuga: one avatar-Kalki yet to come....
But what I don't understand is ,why 4 avatars in SatyayugSatyayug is supposed to be the age of truth and in this age of truth Vishnu had to take four avatars to save this earth or rather truth on earth??
While Kaliyug is the age of iron, age of falsehood and hypocrisy and vishnu wiill take only one avatar
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I think this way. Dunno if it is the right way to think but...in Satya yug, the number of bad guys was not many. One really bad guy cropped up and Vishnu had to come just to finish this guy off. This happened a few times in Satya yug. There was no world annihilation, I think. In Treta yug, the wars with the bad guys was a little bit bigger but still no annihilation. In Dwapara yug, the Mahabharat war came close to annihilation (with so many people being wiped out in the war) but the world was not totally killed off.
In the Kali yug, the whole world is gonna be wiped out to start Satya yug again. Also, Kalki is supposed to arrive only when the majority of the world turns bad. This means not only rakshas but the common man himself will become rakshas like with bad tendencies. So, Vishnu waits until the end (until the world goes really bad) and then finishes it off with just one avatar. More efficient actually!
Somehow, I tend to count Balarama as a part of the Krishna avatar (just as LBS are part of the Rama avatar), since the puran in question has 2 hairs plucked out of Vishnu, and Balarama being the white (grey) hair, and Krishna being the black hair. That may also explain why Balarama was the older of the 2.
Buddha, afaik, was born just as Kaliyug was starting, but after Dwapar yuga ended. So Parikshit, Vajra, Janamejaya - all these descendants of the Pandavas and Krishna ruled in Kaliyug? If one discounts Buddha but counts Mohini, you have 5 avatars in the Satyayug, and only 1 in Dwapar Yuga. But it still begs the question as to which yuga Buddha would be counted as? (Also, if Sita & Rukmini were Lakshmi for Rama & Krishna, then was Yashoda Lakshmi for Siddhartha?)
I agree with analysis, particularly for the efficiency factor (does this imply that Vishnu too has a learning curve? ) Whereas for Ravan/Kumbhakarna and Kamsa/Shishupala/Dantavakra, only one avatar was needed for both Jaya and Vijaya in each yuga, Vishnu took 2 avatars to take care of Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu. Couldn't Varaha have taken out both of them? What exactly was the divine reason that Hiranyakashipu had to be spared?
And Satya yuga will re-start, or will it be another yuga? Also, is Kalki supposed to wipe out everybody, or just the bad guys? And isn't that supposed to be a kshatriya role, rather than a brahmin role?
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Kalki kills only the bad guys. But according to Kalki avatar stories, the number of bad elements will be humungo, almost the whole word with only very few good souls left. I think this is the way it is. Satya Yuga is only a few percentage bad, I think Treta yug is supposed to be 1/2 bad, Dwapara yug 3/4ths, and Kali yug almost fully bad. This is why there is total annihilation in Kali yug. If I have made a mistake somewhere, more knowledgeable persons, please correct me.
After Kali yug, Satya yuga will start again. Kalki will be born to Brahmin parents but he gets fighting training from Parashuram (who is living hidden from this world waiting for Kalki to come). Then he marries Padma (this is Mahalakshmi's incarnation) who is supposed to be born on an island. The Kalki puran says "Sinhala."
There is a lot of specualtion as to whether "Sinhala" is Sri Lanka or some generic island. He will have 2 sons Jaya and Vijaya who will grow up to be very strong. He will forget the reason for his birth and live in 'Sinhala' for a long time. Then he will reminded (like Hanuman is reminded by Jambavan of his strength) of the reason for this avatar. He will become the commander-in-chief of the army only when a big war (almost like a world war) happens. He is supposed to fight 2 major "rakshas" Kok and Bikok (and his minions who are heads of state joined with Kok and Bikok) who have taken over the world. Kalki avatar is globalized and not confined to India alone.
All bad elements will be annihilated, dharma will be established, and Satya yuga will start.
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The rakshasha part somewhat dazes me. Kalki ought to be fighting the UN, as well as all the world governments and bringing them down. Why pretend that rakshashas are the only evil in the world? Or is the usage of the term 'rakshasha' figurative?
Also, if it is a world conflict, why are only Indian names used? Shouldn't we expect names from all over like Andy Chen, Anatoly Krokov, Mahmoud Yassin, Kathy Becker, Charles Brown, Fernando Calderon, Lisa Zhou, et al?
Oh, rakshas is figurative. From the way the Kalki story reads it looks like there will be 2 factions. One faction consists of Kok, Bikok and their side kicks. One of side-kicks' name is Jin. A lot of people are saying (including western experts) that Jin is probably Chinese or some Far East premier of that time. I found this part very interesting. Kalki is not the leader of any nation but only the commander of the 'allied forces.' During the war, he will get defeated by one of the side-kicks (forgot the name) but he wins over the side-kick (the side-kick will have a change of heart when he sees Vishnuji as Kalki) and Kalki marries the side-kicks' daughter Ramaa or Roma or something like that. A peace treaty is signed with this side-kick. Eventually Kok, Bikok, and their minions are killed by the allied forces with Kalki as their commander.
He then establishes the good people who fought with him as 'kings' of various nations and then Satya yuga starts. Kalki avatar ends with Vishnuji going back to Vaikunt. Kalki avatar is supposed to be more powerful than even Krishna avatar. Also, more devas, apsaras, and other celestial being will be born as ordinary human beings during that time to help this avatar as the scale of evil is supposed to be humungo.
Indian names were used by the people who wrote the story in the various purans. They were, probably, not well versed with the names of other countries. From the description of the war, the countries, and other things it is clear that it is not India.
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One thing I found interesting is the return of polygamy here - Kalki having both Padma and Ramaa as his wives In the past, I can understand, but in the future?
читать дальшеVidhi ka Vidhan is the joke of this 'Kalpa'
Well one thing is that the yug-cycle is realted to vishnu-dashhavatar; the ratios of Satyayug,treta,
Kaliyugis 4:3:2:1 likewise there were 4 avtars of vishnu in Satyayug: Matysa,Kurma,Varah, Nrisimha
Treta: Vaman,Parashuram,Rama (who was born in the last phase of treta yuga)
Dwapar yuga- Krishna,Balram ; somesay ninth avatar was Buddha but if Buddha was ninth avatar then the yr he was born isn't Kaliyuga.
Kaliyuga: one avatar-Kalki yet to come....
But what I don't understand is ,why 4 avatars in SatyayugSatyayug is supposed to be the age of truth and in this age of truth Vishnu had to take four avatars to save this earth or rather truth on earth??
While Kaliyug is the age of iron, age of falsehood and hypocrisy and vishnu wiill take only one avatar
***
I think this way. Dunno if it is the right way to think but...in Satya yug, the number of bad guys was not many. One really bad guy cropped up and Vishnu had to come just to finish this guy off. This happened a few times in Satya yug. There was no world annihilation, I think. In Treta yug, the wars with the bad guys was a little bit bigger but still no annihilation. In Dwapara yug, the Mahabharat war came close to annihilation (with so many people being wiped out in the war) but the world was not totally killed off.
In the Kali yug, the whole world is gonna be wiped out to start Satya yug again. Also, Kalki is supposed to arrive only when the majority of the world turns bad. This means not only rakshas but the common man himself will become rakshas like with bad tendencies. So, Vishnu waits until the end (until the world goes really bad) and then finishes it off with just one avatar. More efficient actually!
Somehow, I tend to count Balarama as a part of the Krishna avatar (just as LBS are part of the Rama avatar), since the puran in question has 2 hairs plucked out of Vishnu, and Balarama being the white (grey) hair, and Krishna being the black hair. That may also explain why Balarama was the older of the 2.
Buddha, afaik, was born just as Kaliyug was starting, but after Dwapar yuga ended. So Parikshit, Vajra, Janamejaya - all these descendants of the Pandavas and Krishna ruled in Kaliyug? If one discounts Buddha but counts Mohini, you have 5 avatars in the Satyayug, and only 1 in Dwapar Yuga. But it still begs the question as to which yuga Buddha would be counted as? (Also, if Sita & Rukmini were Lakshmi for Rama & Krishna, then was Yashoda Lakshmi for Siddhartha?)
I agree with analysis, particularly for the efficiency factor (does this imply that Vishnu too has a learning curve? ) Whereas for Ravan/Kumbhakarna and Kamsa/Shishupala/Dantavakra, only one avatar was needed for both Jaya and Vijaya in each yuga, Vishnu took 2 avatars to take care of Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu. Couldn't Varaha have taken out both of them? What exactly was the divine reason that Hiranyakashipu had to be spared?
And Satya yuga will re-start, or will it be another yuga? Also, is Kalki supposed to wipe out everybody, or just the bad guys? And isn't that supposed to be a kshatriya role, rather than a brahmin role?
***
Kalki kills only the bad guys. But according to Kalki avatar stories, the number of bad elements will be humungo, almost the whole word with only very few good souls left. I think this is the way it is. Satya Yuga is only a few percentage bad, I think Treta yug is supposed to be 1/2 bad, Dwapara yug 3/4ths, and Kali yug almost fully bad. This is why there is total annihilation in Kali yug. If I have made a mistake somewhere, more knowledgeable persons, please correct me.
After Kali yug, Satya yuga will start again. Kalki will be born to Brahmin parents but he gets fighting training from Parashuram (who is living hidden from this world waiting for Kalki to come). Then he marries Padma (this is Mahalakshmi's incarnation) who is supposed to be born on an island. The Kalki puran says "Sinhala."
There is a lot of specualtion as to whether "Sinhala" is Sri Lanka or some generic island. He will have 2 sons Jaya and Vijaya who will grow up to be very strong. He will forget the reason for his birth and live in 'Sinhala' for a long time. Then he will reminded (like Hanuman is reminded by Jambavan of his strength) of the reason for this avatar. He will become the commander-in-chief of the army only when a big war (almost like a world war) happens. He is supposed to fight 2 major "rakshas" Kok and Bikok (and his minions who are heads of state joined with Kok and Bikok) who have taken over the world. Kalki avatar is globalized and not confined to India alone.
All bad elements will be annihilated, dharma will be established, and Satya yuga will start.
***
The rakshasha part somewhat dazes me. Kalki ought to be fighting the UN, as well as all the world governments and bringing them down. Why pretend that rakshashas are the only evil in the world? Or is the usage of the term 'rakshasha' figurative?
Also, if it is a world conflict, why are only Indian names used? Shouldn't we expect names from all over like Andy Chen, Anatoly Krokov, Mahmoud Yassin, Kathy Becker, Charles Brown, Fernando Calderon, Lisa Zhou, et al?
Oh, rakshas is figurative. From the way the Kalki story reads it looks like there will be 2 factions. One faction consists of Kok, Bikok and their side kicks. One of side-kicks' name is Jin. A lot of people are saying (including western experts) that Jin is probably Chinese or some Far East premier of that time. I found this part very interesting. Kalki is not the leader of any nation but only the commander of the 'allied forces.' During the war, he will get defeated by one of the side-kicks (forgot the name) but he wins over the side-kick (the side-kick will have a change of heart when he sees Vishnuji as Kalki) and Kalki marries the side-kicks' daughter Ramaa or Roma or something like that. A peace treaty is signed with this side-kick. Eventually Kok, Bikok, and their minions are killed by the allied forces with Kalki as their commander.
He then establishes the good people who fought with him as 'kings' of various nations and then Satya yuga starts. Kalki avatar ends with Vishnuji going back to Vaikunt. Kalki avatar is supposed to be more powerful than even Krishna avatar. Also, more devas, apsaras, and other celestial being will be born as ordinary human beings during that time to help this avatar as the scale of evil is supposed to be humungo.
Indian names were used by the people who wrote the story in the various purans. They were, probably, not well versed with the names of other countries. From the description of the war, the countries, and other things it is clear that it is not India.
***
One thing I found interesting is the return of polygamy here - Kalki having both Padma and Ramaa as his wives In the past, I can understand, but in the future?
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