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читать дальшеThe reason I took it for a fairy tale was because of all the ethereal and unearthly beings who have a major part in the story.
I think the basis here is the fact that Sita was able to revive her husband with her touch. I am confused myself but its after the people see that Sita revives Ram when he faints at the end of the play the are convinced of her chastity. I haven't read the entire translation but only bits of it and the brief account I had posted before.
I don't think Luv and Kush sing the Ramayan in front of the gathering - not sure about this. They may have taken part in the play. All I know is when Luv asks Sage Valmiki or someone else, he is given the reply that Sage Valmiki wants it to be enacted by the nymphs.
Chandraketu (Lakshman's son) taking command of the army - this was an issue I had pondered as well. He must have been the one who was with Ram at that time seeing that Bharat and Shathrugan had their own kingdoms and families and Lakshman was the one who stayed with Ram. He was attended by other warriors as well. Sumantra was there with him. The reason Luv ends up fighting the army was this. The soldiers proclaimed Lord Ram's supemacy over everyone including Sage Parashuram, a Bhraman. Luv did not agree with this and removed the king's banner saying that a Brahman was the highest in the society and the king is arrogant to have something like this proclaimed. The soldiers fight Luv but are no match for the boy and when Chandraketu sees the army fall back he challenges Luv for a duel which the latter readily agrees to. When Sumantra sees the divine weapons that are discharged he thinks that this boy is not an ordinary one and these weapons (the ones Luv used) had always answered to Ram and no one else. After quite a long fight, the two of them realise each other's skill and valour (but Luv is portrayed to be the better one) and make peace. Luv sees Ram coming towards them and asks Chandraketu who he is and Chandraketu replies that he was his reverred father. Luv asks that he (Chandraketu) refers to 4 people as his father and who among them is the one who comes to them. To this Chandraketu answers "Know him to be the eldest of the four." (Luv and Ram embrace - I don't know what dialogues are exchanged here. Sorry for the incomplete stuff I'm posting here )
I haven't seen the cartoon and it certainly doesn't sound like the strong character of Mata Sita we have been discussing.
I too believe if that she was offered an honourable way to live with her family (like in Bhavabhuti's version) she would have lived happily with her husband and family.
I too believe in the original Valmiki Ramayan first and foremost - its the only version that gives me minimum doubts. The second one I follow is Kamba Ramayan. Its the same as Valmiki Ramayan but written with changes for Tamilian Culture. I do admit that there are many changes from the original in the Kamba Ramayan as well.
The reason I took it for a fairy tale was because of all the ethereal and unearthly beings who have a major part in the story.
I think the basis here is the fact that Sita was able to revive her husband with her touch. I am confused myself but its after the people see that Sita revives Ram when he faints at the end of the play the are convinced of her chastity. I haven't read the entire translation but only bits of it and the brief account I had posted before.
That doesn't sound so outlandish - if Rama can revive Ahalya, why can't Sita revive Rama?
Chandraketu (Lakshman's son) taking command of the army - this was an issue I had pondered as well. He must have been the one who was with Ram at that time seeing that Bharat and Shathrugan had their own kingdoms and families and Lakshman was the one who stayed with Ram. He was
Bharat had his own kingdom here? Which was it - Gandhara, Kekaya or some other? And how was that, if he was yuvraj? Or if he did have his own kingdom, then who was the Yuvraj of Ayodhya? Lakshman?
attended by other warriors as well. Sumantra was there with him. The reason Luv ends up fighting the army was this. The soldiers proclaimed Lord Ram's supemacy over everyone including Sage Parashuram, a Bhraman. Luv did not agree with this and removed the king's banner saying that a Brahman was the highest in the society and the king is arrogant to have something like
Okay, I agree that this is unreal!
this proclaimed. The soldiers fight Luv but are no match for the boy and when Chandraketu sees the army fall back he challenges Luv for a duel which the latter readily agrees to. When Sumantra sees the divine weapons that are discharged he thinks that this boy is not an ordinary one and these weapons (the ones Luv used) had always answered to Ram and no one else. After quite a long fight, the two of them realise each other's skill and valour (but Luv is portrayed to be the better one) and make peace. Luv sees Ram coming towards them and asks Chandraketu who he is and Chandraketu replies that he was his reverred father. Luv asks that he (Chandraketu) refers to 4 people as his father and who among them is the one who comes to them. To this Chandraketu answers "Know him to be the eldest of the four." (Luv and Ram embrace - I don't know what dialogues are exchanged here. Sorry for the incomplete stuff I'm posting here )
Thanks for whatever you did post - this part looks okay to me.
I haven't seen the cartoon and it certainly doesn't sound like the strong character of Mata Sita we have been discussing.
I too believe if that she was offered an honourable way to live with her family (like in Bhavabhuti's version) she would have lived happily with her husband and family.
I too believe in the original Valmiki Ramayan first and foremost - its the only version that gives me minimum doubts. The second one I follow is Kamba Ramayan. Its the same as Valmiki Ramayan but written with changes for Tamilian Culture. I do admit that there are many changes from the original in the Kamba Ramayan as well.
I haven't read Kamban. Some time, I hope to read Krittivas, if I can get a hold of it.
And Vibs - does the KR have Uttar kand as well or is it only till the Pattabhishekam?
there is no following the horse in Valmiki. Read my posts in Uttarkhand stories. I've posted the synopsis after reading the relevant chapters of Valmiki's Uttarkhand. I ignored the stories of Yayati and such because it is not relevant to the main story line. The whole aswamedha story as shown by most movies and serials never happened in Valmiki. Can someone please tell me in which version of the Ramayan do we have the brothers following the horse and meeting Lav and Kush?
I think the basis here is the fact that Sita was able to revive her husband with her touch. I am confused myself but its after the people see that Sita revives Ram when he faints at the end of the play the are convinced of her chastity. I haven't read the entire translation but only bits of it and the brief account I had posted before.
I don't think Luv and Kush sing the Ramayan in front of the gathering - not sure about this. They may have taken part in the play. All I know is when Luv asks Sage Valmiki or someone else, he is given the reply that Sage Valmiki wants it to be enacted by the nymphs.
Chandraketu (Lakshman's son) taking command of the army - this was an issue I had pondered as well. He must have been the one who was with Ram at that time seeing that Bharat and Shathrugan had their own kingdoms and families and Lakshman was the one who stayed with Ram. He was attended by other warriors as well. Sumantra was there with him. The reason Luv ends up fighting the army was this. The soldiers proclaimed Lord Ram's supemacy over everyone including Sage Parashuram, a Bhraman. Luv did not agree with this and removed the king's banner saying that a Brahman was the highest in the society and the king is arrogant to have something like this proclaimed. The soldiers fight Luv but are no match for the boy and when Chandraketu sees the army fall back he challenges Luv for a duel which the latter readily agrees to. When Sumantra sees the divine weapons that are discharged he thinks that this boy is not an ordinary one and these weapons (the ones Luv used) had always answered to Ram and no one else. After quite a long fight, the two of them realise each other's skill and valour (but Luv is portrayed to be the better one) and make peace. Luv sees Ram coming towards them and asks Chandraketu who he is and Chandraketu replies that he was his reverred father. Luv asks that he (Chandraketu) refers to 4 people as his father and who among them is the one who comes to them. To this Chandraketu answers "Know him to be the eldest of the four." (Luv and Ram embrace - I don't know what dialogues are exchanged here. Sorry for the incomplete stuff I'm posting here )
I haven't seen the cartoon and it certainly doesn't sound like the strong character of Mata Sita we have been discussing.
I too believe if that she was offered an honourable way to live with her family (like in Bhavabhuti's version) she would have lived happily with her husband and family.
I too believe in the original Valmiki Ramayan first and foremost - its the only version that gives me minimum doubts. The second one I follow is Kamba Ramayan. Its the same as Valmiki Ramayan but written with changes for Tamilian Culture. I do admit that there are many changes from the original in the Kamba Ramayan as well.
The reason I took it for a fairy tale was because of all the ethereal and unearthly beings who have a major part in the story.
I think the basis here is the fact that Sita was able to revive her husband with her touch. I am confused myself but its after the people see that Sita revives Ram when he faints at the end of the play the are convinced of her chastity. I haven't read the entire translation but only bits of it and the brief account I had posted before.
That doesn't sound so outlandish - if Rama can revive Ahalya, why can't Sita revive Rama?
Chandraketu (Lakshman's son) taking command of the army - this was an issue I had pondered as well. He must have been the one who was with Ram at that time seeing that Bharat and Shathrugan had their own kingdoms and families and Lakshman was the one who stayed with Ram. He was
Bharat had his own kingdom here? Which was it - Gandhara, Kekaya or some other? And how was that, if he was yuvraj? Or if he did have his own kingdom, then who was the Yuvraj of Ayodhya? Lakshman?
attended by other warriors as well. Sumantra was there with him. The reason Luv ends up fighting the army was this. The soldiers proclaimed Lord Ram's supemacy over everyone including Sage Parashuram, a Bhraman. Luv did not agree with this and removed the king's banner saying that a Brahman was the highest in the society and the king is arrogant to have something like
Okay, I agree that this is unreal!
this proclaimed. The soldiers fight Luv but are no match for the boy and when Chandraketu sees the army fall back he challenges Luv for a duel which the latter readily agrees to. When Sumantra sees the divine weapons that are discharged he thinks that this boy is not an ordinary one and these weapons (the ones Luv used) had always answered to Ram and no one else. After quite a long fight, the two of them realise each other's skill and valour (but Luv is portrayed to be the better one) and make peace. Luv sees Ram coming towards them and asks Chandraketu who he is and Chandraketu replies that he was his reverred father. Luv asks that he (Chandraketu) refers to 4 people as his father and who among them is the one who comes to them. To this Chandraketu answers "Know him to be the eldest of the four." (Luv and Ram embrace - I don't know what dialogues are exchanged here. Sorry for the incomplete stuff I'm posting here )
Thanks for whatever you did post - this part looks okay to me.
I haven't seen the cartoon and it certainly doesn't sound like the strong character of Mata Sita we have been discussing.
I too believe if that she was offered an honourable way to live with her family (like in Bhavabhuti's version) she would have lived happily with her husband and family.
I too believe in the original Valmiki Ramayan first and foremost - its the only version that gives me minimum doubts. The second one I follow is Kamba Ramayan. Its the same as Valmiki Ramayan but written with changes for Tamilian Culture. I do admit that there are many changes from the original in the Kamba Ramayan as well.
I haven't read Kamban. Some time, I hope to read Krittivas, if I can get a hold of it.
And Vibs - does the KR have Uttar kand as well or is it only till the Pattabhishekam?
there is no following the horse in Valmiki. Read my posts in Uttarkhand stories. I've posted the synopsis after reading the relevant chapters of Valmiki's Uttarkhand. I ignored the stories of Yayati and such because it is not relevant to the main story line. The whole aswamedha story as shown by most movies and serials never happened in Valmiki. Can someone please tell me in which version of the Ramayan do we have the brothers following the horse and meeting Lav and Kush?
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"Навадха бхакти" и являет себя старушке как Вишну. Надо ли говорить, как в народе эта сцена любима, а мне так очень нравится, как Рама обрывает Лакшмана. 
