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If Rama ever found that out, he'd probably send Hanuman packing back to Kishkinda
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Ну ну - покатилось!! хехехе..
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После погружения в мир пламенных европейских мыслителей и журналистов, хочется как-то отдохнуть и подумать о вечном (Oh well..)
Итак, что обсуждают? Конечно же день явления Ситы. С обсуждением места её рождения, славного Джанакпура.
Интересно, что по сегодняшним границам, у Рамы была крутая непальская жена...
(Где-то, на страницах моего дневника уже встречалась одна крутая непалочка..)
А ещё, обсуждают, кто как бэбиков держит. Оказалось, что из всех актёров и актрис, держать новорожденных правильно умеют только трое. И наш Гурмит был чемпионом! (Ай да Рама! И где только Рамачандра научился?). А вот Сита- Дебина - не умеет вообще.

Такие вот наблюдения.
А что показывают? А знаете, чего-то показывают! Пойду посмотрю!
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Сериал начался 21 января 2008 года. Чего это я 25 января 2008 года про Рамаяну написать решил???
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and to celebrate sita maatas birthday here is an info about janakpur.
City of Janakpur
City of Janakpur
Janakpur city is the birth place of Goddess Sita, and the home of the unique Mithila culture in Nepal. It is also a Headquarter of Dhanusha district of Nepal. Janakpur is about 94 miles from Kathmandu and 40 miles from Biratnagar. This is a most exciting city in the Madhesh/Terai region. Janakpur is also known as Janakpurdham (place of festival). It has many temples which are named after Hindu God and Goddess. This region also offers an excellent opportunity for visitors to learn about Mithila culture and people from in and around this peaceful region of Nepal. Hindu pilgrims from around the World visit this place to pay their respect to the Goddess Sita while many foreigners make a side-trip to the region to learn about the unique life style of Madheshi people.
Every year celebrate hundreds of festival one of such festival is the enactment of the wedding
ceremony, decorating temples and monuments, burning of oil-lamps surrounding the temple and other historical sites in the region. Throughout the festival there are dramas in theatres and in open streets re-making the marriage ceremony of Ram and Sita. According to Hindu, Ram and Sita took birth to free the earth from the cruelty and sins of the demon King Ravana (Ravan). Janaki Temple
Janakpur has the Janaki Temple (Mandir in Nepali) which is dedicated to Goddess Sita, and also has a Ram and Sita Marriage Mandhir (or also known as Ram and Sita Bibaha Mandhir in Nepali) which is said to have been built in the spot where they got married. Marriage anniversary of Ram and Sita is observed every year here through a festival which is also observed throughout Nepal.
Rama Mandir
Visit the Rama Mandhir, a pagoda-style temple built in 1882, which is located south-east of the Janaki Mandhir. On the Rama Nawami or also written as Ram Navami festival (the celebration of Lord Ram's Birthday), this temple gets thousands of visitors. Ram Nawami is also called as Chaitay Dashain
Mithila Culture of Janakpur
Mithila culture is found in the Terai region of Nepal such as the Janakpur region and also found all the way up to the Northern Bihar state of India. Janakpur was the capital of Mithila and the Mithila was a kingdom of King Janak, Goddess Sita's father. Often Sita is known by many names such as Janaki or Mythili. Mithila culture is rich with its own language known as Maithili, and with its own traditions, customs, arts and music. Many Mithila arts and paintings have historical and religious meanings, such arts are produced by many villagers specifically women's draw paintings having colorful and thought provoking objects such as animals, Gods and Goddess which are painted on the walls of homes using,simple colors such as clays and mud.
Ram is One of the greatest epics of all time is Ramayana, which is a Hindu story of God Ram and his wife Goddess Sita, their marriage, their struggle, sacrifice, and many facets of life. Ram married Sita and then they have to live for years in isolation before returning back to his royal palace. During that time Sita got captured by Demon named Rawan. In the end Sita disappears under the ground and she is regarded as the Goddess of the Earth. Sita, the incarnation of the Hindu Goddess Lakshmi, is regarded as the perfect daughter, wife, and mother, and the most beloved deity in Hindu countries like
Nepal and India.
Festivals in Janakpur
Jhula and Bol Bum are other two important festivals which are celebrated with great pride and
enjoyment along with other Nepali festivals such as Dashain and Tihar. During Jhula and Bol Dum, the Janaki temple is packed with people. One other important festival is Chhatha celebrated by Maithalis in Janakpur. It is a four days festival. A group of men and women dip in Ganga Sagar, a popular lake in the area, and then worship the rising and setting of the sun for four days to receive blessings for peace and prosperity. Vibhaha Panchami, which falls between November to December, is a popular festival of Janakpur.The occasion commemorates the marriage of Sita to Ram, one of the most celebrated Hindudivinities. Janaki temple is the center of the attraction to commemorate this day and to celebrate the marriage anniversary of Ram and Sita. Thousands of pilgrims from India, Nepal and India pour in the region during this festival season.Ram Nawami, the celebration of Ram's birthday attracts visitors to the Ram Mandhir and many Hindupilgrims visit this temple on that day.
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вещь
необычайно длинная,-
были времена-
прошли былинные.
Ни былин,
ни эпосов,
ни эпопей.»
То, что было обещано ДВА месяца тому назад.
Не слишком ли Сагары затянули, вы не находите?
Я, конечно, могу иронизировать. Я-то знаю, что политика вмешалась. Но какая же разница между тем, что планировалось раньше, и тем, что сейчас показывают....
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The Hindu claim and the Muslim counterclaim to the disputed site have been sub judice at the High Court of Allahabad since 1950, weeks after Hindus had taken control of the mosque by installing statues of Rama, his wife Sita and his brother Lakshman. On 22 August 2003, after 53 years of judicial pussyfooting, the Archaeological Survey of India handed a highly sensitive report to the Lucknow Bench of the Allahabad High Court. The ASI had been mandated by the Court to excavate the foundation level underneath and around the demolished Babri Masjid in Ayodhya. This mosque, attributed to the Moghul dynasty�s founder Babar (1528) was deconstructed in 1992 by Hindu activists eager to see a temple built right there.
In the winter of 2002-2003, the Court had secretly ordered a search of the site with a ground-penetrating radar by the company Tojo Vikas International Ltd., which had gained fame with its role in the construction of the Delhi underground railway. Canadian geophysicist Claude Robillard concluded from the scans that �there is some structure under the mosque� (Rediff.com, 19 March 2003). The Court then ordered the archaeologists to verify these findings in greater detail. If you expected secularists to welcome this replacement of bickering between religious hotheads with the objectivity of a scientific investigation, the subsequent developments provide you with an opportunity to learn.
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When more temple remains were found in 1992, a cry went up among the Marxist academics that the sculptures had been stolen from museums and planted at the site. The central government (Congress) had the pieces locked away. During the scholars� debate in 1990-91, the VHP-mandated team had discovered no less than 4 documents on which references to the �birthplace temple� had been altered or removed, or which had been removed from public access (and those were only the ones where the foul play was discovered; who knows how many times the tampering succeeded?). Here the secularists had their great chance to get back at them and expose them in turn as cheaters who had planted false evidence. Yet, the minister in charge, Arjun Singh, though a militant secularist and eager to embarrass the Hindu activists, forewent the opportunity to have the sculptures investigated by international experts to certify the allegation of forgery. Once more, it was sheer bluff and the secularists didn�t want it subjected to scrutiny.
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In early 2003, the Court ordered the ASI to start excavations and either confirm or disprove the provisional conclusions of the radar scan. Strictly speaking, the existence or otherwise of the medieval temple never depended on the results of the radar scanning nor on the excavations: it had already been proven by a wealth of documentary and archaeological evidence, which in any other circumstance would have been deemed conclusive. It was only because of the brutal denial of the evidence by a group of vocal academics and allied politicians that the Court considered it wiser to come up with a new and as yet unchallenged type of evidence.
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We should be clear in our minds about what kind of evidence could be expected, as this digging took place at the foundations level. This is not where sculptures or furniture normally reside (though a few objects were found nonetheless) but where the unadorned foundations of walls and pillars have quietly survived the onslaught that destroyed the �over-ground� constructions they supported. Foundations do not by themselves inform us of the type of building they supported, whether secular or religious; but for that, we can rely on other types of evidence. The temple had never gone underground, had never been covered with layers of soil; instead, it had been demolished and its components removed, destroyed or re-used. Earlier layers, by contrast, may approximate the normal stratigraphic pattern better: a building layer covered with stray debris, then a new building layer, etc.
In the months when the digging took place, the newspapers reported new findings once in a while. Thus, �an ancient stone inscription in the Dev Nagari sсript and a foundation were discovered in the ongoing excavation in the acquired land in Ayodhya today�, while �stone pieces and a wall were found in other trenches� and �a human figure in terracotta, sand stone netting, decorated sand stone in three pieces were found in one trench� (The Hindu, 5 May 2003).
In this light it is understandable that a Babri Masjid supporter, Naved Yar Khan, approached the Supreme Court with a petition to prohibit all archaeological digging at the contentious site (which was rejected: �SC rejects plea against excavation�, The Hindu, 10 June 2003). The secularists had always opposed archaeological fact-finding at the site, arguing that this would open a Pandora�s box of similar initiatives at the literally thousands of mosque sites where temples used to stand. They typically omitted to mention their fear that in Ayodhya itself, this digging was sure to prove them wrong, as it now has.
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Поэтому я буду помещать здесь ссылки время от времени. Кому политика не по душе - увидите ссылку Ayodhya - проматывайте.
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читать дальшеThe support base for the Mandir is larger than the BJP electorate. It is a fact that Advani's Rathyatra brought out far more people than Mulayam's rallies for secularism, even when all the communist and Muslim fundamentalist organizations systematically attended the latter, and even while the state machinery had been used to mobilize for them. There is simply no honest doubt that the Ram Janmabhoomi movement had become a genuine mass movement, the biggest in Indian history, and not just an artificial creation for the BJP's political gain.
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Время как-то странно всё по своим местам расставляет. Сегодня просмотрел статистику на Ю-тюбе, и, к своему удивлению, заметил, что именно эпизоды про уход Ситы- семейный гнев набрали наибольшее число просмотров.
Просмотрел их и я. Мама дорогая! Вот если где и сияет драматический талант Гурмита Чоудхари, то именно там. И нет ничего лучше.
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Valmiki's Uttar Ramayan contains the following:-
1. Agastya tells Ram the story of Ravan and his ancestors.
2. War between Shatrughn and Luvnasur.
3. Ashwamedh yajna by Ram (but no war related to the yajna)
4. Luv and Kush sing Ramayan
5. Sita enters into the Earth; Ram is shocked and says that he will destroy the whole Earth. Brahma comes with other gods, he calms down Ram and tells glorifies Ram by telling Ram his real identity.
6. Story of Shambuk's vadh by Ram
7. Story of a dog who was head priest in his previous birth
8. Kaal meets Ram and requests Ram to end his incarnation
9. Lakshman enters Saryu and thus ends his incarnation. Later other three brothers also enter Saryu and end their incarnations. But before ending incarnations, they make their children as kings.
In the absense of the actual translation of the latter part of Yudhyakand, as well as Uttarkand in ValmikiRamayan.net, this is a good place to go:
www.geocities.com/bhagvatjee/vraamaayan/kathaa/...
The sequence is somewhat different from what Akhl described above - dunno whether he meant to be sequential or not.
* Agastya tells Ram, Sugriv & Vibhishan the story of Ravan and his family, as well as that of Vali's family
* Rama & Sita reign in Ayodhya for 10000 years. At the end of it, Sita gets pregnant, and wishes to celebrate the event by visiting rishis, and Rama arranges for Lakshman to take her and fulfil her desires
* Rama hears about the aspersions cast on Sita by some citizens of Ayodhya. So he asks Lakshman to leave her near Valmiki's ashram after taking her there. Lakshman does that, and reveals to Sita the aspersions about her, and hence Rama's decision. Sita is devastated, but Valmiki comes and offers her refuge.
* Lakshman returns to Rama and pacifies him, and Rama then tells him stories like those of rulers like Nrig, Nimi, etc (Much of Valmiki's Ramayan is into Rama's storytelling)
* At the behest of some rishis who are being persecuted by Lavanasura, Rama sends Shatrughan to kill him and rule Mathura. En route, Shatrughan stops at Valmiki's ashram, where on that very night, Kush-Luv are born. He also meets Sita there.
* Shatrughan fights and kills Lavanasura after catching him unawares w/o his trishul. Following this, Shatrughan becomes the ruler of Madhupura, which he re-names Mathura.
* Stories of Shambhuka, and the narration of a dog (the authenticity of these are questionable)
* Lakshman proposes to Rama that he perform an Ashwamedha yagna, narrating to him the story of Indra/Vritra. Rama agrees, narrating to him the story of Raja Hila.
* Ashwamedh yajna by Ram (but no war related to the yajna; in fact, it was Lakshman who accompanied the horse, and w/o incident)
* Valmiki is among the invitees, and he brings Kush-Luv along with him to sing the Ramayan
* Luv and Kush sing Ramayan upto the point of Sita's exile
* Upon Rama's asking, K-L reveal to him that they are sons of Sita. Rama is therefore eager to have them, and therefore asks for Sita to be brought to him and swear to her chastity, so that he can take her back, along with his sons.
* Sita takes a vow and enters into the Earth; Ram is shocked and says that he will destroy the whole Earth. Brahma comes with other gods, he calms down Rama
* Rama completes the yagna and rules for another 10000 (?) years. At the end of it, Kaushalya, Sumitra & Kaikeyi die one by one
* Rama sends Bharat to join King Yudhajit in conquering Gandhara. Bharat massacres 30 million Gandharvas, and sets up 2 cities/kingdoms for his sons - Takshashila for Taksha, and Pushkaravati for Pushkal
* Rama, Lakshman and Lakshman's 2 sons Angad and Chandraketu invade and conquer Himalayan region of Karupadhadesha, and install Angad and Chandraketu as the 2 kings of 2 more cities - Angadvad & Chandrakant
* Kaal meets Ram and requests Ram to end his incarnation
* Durvasa visits Rama, and forces Lakshman to interrupt the meeting, inviting his death. Rama however 'disowns' Lakshman as an alternative, and Lakshman adapts an yogic pose and is taken away to Vaikuntha by Indra
* Rama is distraught at Lakshman's passing and announces to his subjects that he is following him, and offers Bharat the throne. Bharat refuses, and proposes that it be given to Kush & Luv. Shatrughan is also sent this news, and he crowns his sons Subahu and Shatrughatee the rulers of Mathura and Vidisha respectively
* Rama, Bharat, Shatrughan, Sugriv, Guha, Sumantra, and a whole lot of their followers as well as the people of Ayodhya enter the Sarayu and end up in various loks in heaven.
As you can see, in Valmiki's Uttarkand, there is little about Kush-Luv, other than their birth, their singing the Ramayan, as well as their rajya-abhishek. All the popular stories about them are the product of various people's imaginations, although they did grow up to be good rulers.
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читать дальшеRAMJI SAYS ----------I am fighting this war only to highlight few v.imp points ,the most imp of them all is RESPECT FOR WOMEN !!!! I am not fighting this war only for my wife SITA ,but on behalf of all women I am fighting for their respect & dignity ,a woman who is in the form of our mother,wife,sister,daughter has always being our support system ,who has always sacrificed for man in all the forms ,they should always be respected ,in all forms we all should respect women ,& the people like ravan who have no respect for women ,I want to teach them a good lesson ,ravan shd be punished for his crime of showing disrespect to women .
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Romapad asked the family astrologer what to do. The astrologer said, "Let sage Rishyashring come to Ang. When he comes here, then there will be rain. Also marry your daughter Shanta to Rishyashring and ask Rishyashring to stay here. When he stays here, then because of his spiritual power, there will be good in your kingdom."
Romapad agreed. Now the question was whom to send to bring Rishyashring. Everybody was afraid of Rishyashring's father Vibhandak. Because of his spiritual power, Vibhandak could burn anybody and any place. It was next to impossible to make Vibhandak send Rishyashring out of the forest. And there was no way Rishyashring was going to do anything against the wishes of his father. After lots of discussions, the ministers of Romapad made a plan. They decided to send courtesans to Rishyashring and that too at a time when Vibhandak was not with Rishyashring.
Beautiful courtesans went to the forest where Rishyashring lived. They camped near Rishyashring's ashram. Vibhandak was not there at that time. Romapad's ministers had already come to know of this from their detectives. While walking, Rishyashring came near the camp of the courtesans. He was amazed because he had never seen any woman till then. Here, he was seeing so many woman and that too exceptionally beautiful ones. The women made friendship with Rishyashring. Rishyashring thought that they also must be sages like him. He received them the way a guest should be received. He offered them fruits to eat. After talking to Rishyashring for some time, the courtesans went back to their camp. Next day, Rishyashring went to that camp. The women welcomed him and gave him sweets to eat. Rishyashring ate the sweets thinking them to be fruits because he had never eaten or even seen man-made sweets till then; he had been living on roots and fruits.
The courtesans said, "Our hermitage is at some distance from here. It is a very good hermitage. You must come with us to see it."
Rishyashring thought that his father would have no objection if he visited the hermitage of any sage. He had been thinking the courtesans to be sages. He did not know that they would take him to city. He was not even aware what urban life was all about because he had never stepped outside forest. He went to Ang with the courtesans. As soon as he reached there, there was rain in Ang. Everybody was happy. King Romapad explained him everything and got Shanta married to Rishyashring. Now Rishyashring found out the truth but he forgave the king because he understood the king's problems.
When Vibhandak came back to the forest, he did not find his son Rishyashring there. He found out everything. He went to Ang and was very angry. Somehow Romapad calmed him down. Then Vibhandak went back to his forest and Rishyashring lived in Ang with his wife Shanta.
On the other hand, king Dashrath wanted putrakameshti yajna to be done so that he could get son. His guru Vashishth and other sages approved of this idea. Dashrath's minister Sumant suggested that Rishyashring should be made the chief priest in the sacrifice. Many years before that, Sanat Kumar(a mind-born son of Brahma) had predicted that Dashrath would get sons if sage Rishyashring performed the sacrifice. Sumant was aware of this prediction and he knew that Sanat Kumar could never go wrong. When Dashrath came to know that none less than Sanat Kumar had predicted this, then he decided to bring Rishyashring to his city Ayodhya. Since Vashishth was Dashrath's guru, Dashrath asked for Vashishth's suggestion. Vashishth agreed.
Dashrath went to Ang. He explained everything to his friend Romapad. Romapad agreed. He sent Rishyashring to Ayodhya. Shanta also came to Ayodhya with him. Rishyashring performed putrakameshti yajna to beget son.
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Brihadwal's son will be Brihadran, his son will be Urukriya, his son will be Vatsavriddh, his son will be Prativyom, his son will be Bhaanu and Bhaanu's son will be an Army-chief Divaak. Divaak's son will be Sahadev, his son will be Brihadashwa, his son will be Bhaanumaan, his son will be Prateekaashwa and his son will be Suprateek, his son will be Marudev, and his son will be Sunakshatra, his son will be Pushkar, his son will be Antariksh, his son will be Sutapaa, and his son will be Amitrajit. Amitrajit will have Brihad Raaj, his son will be Barhi, his son will be Kritanjaya, his son will be Rananjaya, his son will be Sanjaya, his son will be Shaakya, his son will be Shuddhod, his son will be Laangal, his son will be Prasenjit and his son will be Kshudrak. Kshudrak's son will be Ranak, his son will be Surath and his son will be the last king of this Vansh - Sumitra. After him this Vansh will end in Kali Yug."
Brother of Raajaa Shaantanu (father of Bheeshm Pitaamaha) Devaapi, and Maru from Ikshwaaku Vansh are living in Kalaap Graam [near Badrik Aashram]. They have a lot of Yog power. In the end of Kali Yug, they will come again by the order of Kalki Bhagavaan and will spread Varn, Aashram and Dharm like before.
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